[Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen

[Don Dailey]

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Rémi Coulom <Remi.Coulom at free.fr> wrote:

> As a human player, I would be opposed to playing against a program in a
> tournament. So I don't wish to participate in human tournaments with Crazy
> Stone.
>
> When I was bringing my chess program to human tournaments,   I was in a
sort of conflict of interest because I sympathized with the human players.
   I wanted to get some experience with human play because when developing
I always played other programs or self-play but I felt bad when one of the
players felt that they were manipulated into playing the computer.     Many
did NOT sign the no-computer list simply because they forgot or were not
asked to or knew the odds were low that they would play.

My worst experience was in one of the US opens where my program was allowed
to play only in the main tournament,  but most of the side events including
the speed chess tournaments I was not allowed to play.     I payed a lot of
money to travel that year and to get a lot of games with a lot of feedback
from humans and felt cheated.

I'm afraid that human and computers don't mix.   Or at least they don't mix
unless someone is willing to play them.




> Also, having to operate the program manually would be a huge pain. Playing
> casual games automatically on KGS is much more pleasant for me, and not
> less interesting to watch than tournament games. Regardless of time
> control, the level of play is immensely higher than mine, anyway.
>
> Rémi
>
> On 3 janv. 2012, at 13:09, Ingo Althöfer wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am in charge of organizing the computer go parts of the European
> > Go Congress 2012.
> > Before asking the main congress organizers if they were willing to allow
> > a computer player in the main tournament I would like to make sure that
> > - when allowed - really a programmer with a strong bot shows up.
> > So, programmers of strong bots: Feel free to contact me soon (best
> > by email - I will treat them confidential) if you are willing to come
> > to Bonn. Your machine may be remote, but you or a member of your team
> > should be in Bonn to operate the program.
> > Some of the strong programs that come to my mind as possible participants
> > are (in rather random order) Zen, CrazyStone, Steenvreter (Bonn is not
> very
> > far from the NL), Erica, ManyFaces, Pachi, MoGo, Aya, Gomorra.
> >
> > Of course, such a participation would mean that each human participant
> > has to declare at the start of the tournament whether he/she is willing
> to
> > be paired against the bot - and these declarations have to be obeyed.
> > Also, computer participants should be excluded from prize money.
> >
> > Jouni wrote:
> >> ... I would love to see strong gobot playing in EGC 2012 main
> >> tournament. Of course there is lots of organizing thing to do, but those
> >> two evil gobots are good enough and still not yet too good to
> participate
> >> into serious human tournaments with long thinking times.
> >
> >
> > EGC 2012 takes place in Bonn (Germany, Rhine area), starting on July 21,
> > and ending on August 04, 2012. The open tournament has 10 rounds, see at:
> > http://www.egc2012.eu/congress/tournaments/open-european-championship
> >
> > In case of a/one computer participant in the main tournament I am willing
> > to help by providing a present for each human player who plays the
> computer.
> >
> > Ingo.
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