[Computer-go] Game 2 goes to Zen: 1-1

[Michael Williams]

I think he's listeneing.  John, what was your take on that situation?  At
the time and in hindsight.



On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 10:41 AM, steve uurtamo <uurtamo at gmail.com> wrote:

> in the post-game analysis that i watched, the more relevant factor
> seemed to be decisions made earlier in the game. but you should ask
> john what he thinks, it was his game, after all!
>
> s.
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 AM, steve uurtamo <uurtamo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > the group simply did not have two eyes. the subtle part of the
> > equation was trying to figure out how to save it. very few people had
> > good suggestions about that. and lots of relatively strong players
> > were watching.
> >
> > s.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Michael Williams
> > <michaelwilliams75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'll admit, I'm not a dan player. I don't even play enough to know my
> rank.
> >>
> >> Probably I'm missing something about the position.  But it seems that
> the
> >> group simply doesn't have two eyes and allows Zen to remove the last
> way of
> >> getting two eyes.
> >>
> >> Although Zen also did not see it as being as critical as it was because
> it
> >> tenuki-ed to the top for one move before sealing the lower group's fate.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 10:10 AM, steve uurtamo <uurtamo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> to be fair, that was a very subtle situation. only two of the hundreds
> >>> of kibitzers expressed anything like a correct solution.
> >>>
> >>> s.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Francois van Niekerk
> >>> <flash.slash at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > If he could avoid every big blunder, then he'd probably be a rank or
> >>> > two stronger.
> >>> > --
> >>> > Francois van Niekerk
> >>> > Email: flash.slash at gmail.com | Twitter: @francoisvn
> >>> > Cell: +2784 0350 214 | Website: http://leafcloud.com
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 17:05, Michael Williams
> >>> > <michaelwilliams75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> This was a major blunder, IMO.  I think John will win every game in
> >>> >> which he
> >>> >> avoids big ones like this.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:04 AM, "Ingo Althöfer" <
> 3-Hirn-Verlag at gmx.de>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> According to the experts the most decisive action was Zen's move
> >>> >>> 122.f2 which increased the pressure on John's group in the
> >>> >>> lower left, but was not addressed seriously enough by him.
> >>> >>> Later this group went over Jordan.
> >>> >>> At the end the score was +18.5 in favour of Zen.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
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