[Computer-go] John got tromped by Zen 1-3

[Don Dailey]

I know that everyone at this point thinks John is all washed up for this
kind of match,   but I don't agree.

Basically we have concluded based on a mere 3 games that John Tromp was
"crushed" by the computer as if there was no hope had the match continued.
   If the first 2 games had been a loss but John had won the last game,
we probably would be viewing it slightly more rationally - as John having a
chance.

It's probably not very practical for logistical reasons,  but a match like
this should really played with a lot more than 3 games.    This was fun,
 but only proved what we already knew and nothing more - that computers are
now dan players.

A ten game match also would not be enough,  but it would certainly be far
better for a more educated guess about reasonable expectations.    Would it
have been 9 to 1?     Would it have been a close match?

Imagine that both John and the computer were perfect evenly matched with
each having a 50/50 change of winning each game.     The likely score would
have been 2-1 with a 3-0 quite possible too,  despite perfect equality of
the players and yet we are acting almost as if this was clear proof that
John is washed up and can no longer compete.       Had John won 2-1 how
would we be talking about this?     Probably we would be saying that
computers still have a long way to go while criticizing or laughing at some
of it's "gaffes."

So seriously,  let's not make more of this than it actually is.

Don


On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Michael Williams <
michaelwilliams75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> John, thank you for doing this!  But with all due resepect, you have been
> eclipsed and we need a new challenger.  For next year (or whenever) I hope
> that person is as reasonable and sane as John has been.  Not everyone is
> cut out for the quirks of the man-machine matches.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Darren Cook <darren at dcook.org> wrote:
>
>> > (i) MC winning percentages (by Many Faces of Go)
>> > http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-04-percents.jpg
>> >
>> > (ii) Traditional territory scores (by Many Faces of Go)
>> > http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-02-territory.jpg
>>
>> I think that 2nd link should have been:
>>   http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-04-territory.jpg
>>
>> (but, in his defense, Ingo was posting at 5am :-)
>>
>> Darren
>> http://dcook.org/gobet/
>>
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