[Computer-go] Beating old ManyFaces at 29 handicap stones

["Ingo Althöfer"]

Hello all,

many thanks to David Fotland for setting up "mfgo1998" on KGS.
I will analyse a little bit if the differences between this version
and the one from the Martin-Mueller-game are a serious problem.
(If not, my bet will stand for this version.)

I just replayed Aja's fourth trial game.
Fantastic, how fast he adapts to the bot.

I analysed his fourth game with the help of modern MFoG, with interesting
results. You can find three files on the following website:

sgf of game4:
http://www.althofer.de/handicap-29/h29-ajahuang-mfgo1998-4.sgf

territory estimate by modern MFoG:
http://www.althofer.de/handicap-29/h29-territory-ajahuang4.jpg

mc-percents by modern MFoG:
http://www.althofer.de/handicap-29/h29-percents-ajahuang4.jpg
Interesting: Btween move 20 and 40 modern MFoG gives minus 10 percent
for the wining chances of White!

Thanks again to David for his service.

Cheers, Ingo.




-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 04:41:38 +0100
> Von: Stefan Kaitschick <stefan.kaitschick at hamburg.de>
> An: computer-go at dvandva.org
> Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] Beating old ManyFaces at 29 handicap stones

> Awesome attempt!
> 285 at R8 and you would have crushed it in the first try.
> 
> Stefan
> 
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:47 AM, Aja Huang <ajahuang at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >   You should let me try. :)
> >
> > Aja
> >
> >
> >  *From:* David Fotland <fotland at smart-games.com>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:45 PM
> > *To:* computer-go at dvandva.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [Computer-go] Beating old ManyFaces at 29 handicap stones
> >
> >
> > I tried 29 stones once and it crushed me J****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > David****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > *From:* computer-go-bounces at dvandva.org [mailto:
> > computer-go-bounces at dvandva.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Williams
> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:43 PM
> > *To:* computer-go at dvandva.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [Computer-go] Beating old ManyFaces at 29 handicap
> stones**
> > **
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Nice.  This should be interesting...****
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 8:33 PM, David Fotland <fotland at smart-games.com>
> > wrote:****
> >
> > mfgo1998 is up on kgs if anyone wants to try it.  To get a big handicap,
> > set
> > up a 9 stone game and pass until you get up to 29 stones in the same
> > pattern
> > as Martin's game.
> >
> > Regards,****
> >
> >
> > David
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: computer-go-bounces at dvandva.org [mailto:computer-go-****
> >
> > > bounces at dvandva.org] On Behalf Of David Fotland
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 11:34 AM****
> >
> > > To: computer-go at dvandva.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Beating old ManyFaces at 29 handicap stones
> > >
> > > The game with Martin was played on 8/5/1998 at the US Go Congress.  My
> > > closest source is dated 7/3/1998.  I have this built into a gtp front
> end
> > > now, and it's playing different moves from Martin's game, so the
> engine
> > is
> > > not identical.  Do you still want to continue with this bet?
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: computer-go-bounces at dvandva.org [mailto:computer-go-
> > > > bounces at dvandva.org] On Behalf Of "Ingo Althöfer"
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:22 PM
> > > > To: computer-go at dvandva.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Beating old ManyFaces at 29 handicap
> stones
> > > >
> > > > > Which old Manyface, I have a DOS version from 1990 :)
> > > >
> > > > In 1997 ManyFaces 10.0 came to the market (and is sol still
> nowadays).
> > > > David Fotland wrote that in the game against Martin Mueller he
> likely
> > > > used a source from July 1998. He will try to reanimate that.
> > > >
> > > > ingo.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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