[Computer-go] Computer-go Digest, Vol 85, Issue 3 - Alphago style

patrick.bardou patrick.bardou at laposte.net
Thu Feb 9 22:36:47 PST 2017 

    
This video gives a good overview of some difference between AG and pro styles.
https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments/5q58ji/yunguseng_dojang_video_alphagos_four_specialties/
Patrick

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Today's Topics:

   1. Notes from the Asilomar Conference on Beneficial AI (Freeman Ng)
   2. Re: Notes from the Asilomar Conference on Beneficial	AI
      (Richard J Lorentz)
   3. Re: Notes from the Asilomar Conference on Beneficial	AI
      (Shawn Ligocki)
   4. Re: Notes from the Asilomar Conference on Beneficial	AI
      (Álvaro Begué)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 14:42:07 -0800
From: Freeman Ng <Freeman at freemanng.net>
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Subject: [Computer-go] Notes from the Asilomar Conference on
	Beneficial AI
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My favorite blogger's account of this conference that the Deep Mind team
also participated in.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/06/notes-from-the-asilomar-conference-on-beneficial-ai/

Note: he's neither a Go player nor a computer programmer, which limits his
AlphaGo related reporting, but I thought this might be interesting to the
list nonetheless.

Freeman


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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 16:32:48 -0800
From: Richard J Lorentz <lorentz at csun.edu>
To: computer-go at computer-go.org
Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Notes from the Asilomar Conference on
	Beneficial	AI
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Thanks for the interesting link. Indeed, some good reading there.

One quote that I've seen various versions of a number of times now: " 
More interesting for the rest of us, AlphaGo is playing moves and styles 
that all human masters had dismissed as stupid centuries ago."

Can any one point me to concrete examples of such moves, styles, and/or 
games? With some commentary?!

Thanks!

-Richard


On 02/09/2017 02:42 PM, Freeman Ng wrote:
> My favorite blogger's account of this conference that the Deep Mind 
> team also participated in.
>
> http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/06/notes-from-the-asilomar-conference-on-beneficial-ai/ 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__slatestarcodex.com_2017_02_06_notes-2Dfrom-2Dthe-2Dasilomar-2Dconference-2Don-2Dbeneficial-2Dai_&d=DwMFaQ&c=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U&r=NbBKrBPWWTAfp_een5wnh2rUKa2Rtv0nPE0GGyoIUSQ&m=wj6xch3mWJlJb-HdUAJkZE_FQOhRG4DNZJnQvTy-vMQ&s=MVsE9yAwd0Yi1yRVAb3hLXzcPtz_g4xtIcPbluFG7xo&e=>
>
> Note: he's neither a Go player nor a computer programmer, which limits 
> his AlphaGo related reporting, but I thought this might be interesting 
> to the list nonetheless.
>
> Freeman
>

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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:28:37 -0500
From: Shawn Ligocki <sligocki at gmail.com>
To: computer-go at computer-go.org
Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Notes from the Asilomar Conference on
	Beneficial	AI
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I remember hearing widespread surprise at many of AlphaGo's moves vs. Lee
Sedol:
* Game 1 - Moves 10&12 - Attach and pull back after pincer. Which is widely
taught as bad play.
* Game 2 - Move 37 - 5th line shoulder hit. Likewise students are taught to
almost never play 5th line shoulder hit.

and to a lesser extent:
* Game 2 - Move 15 - Peeping so early.

Those are the examples I remember. Don't remember any references to style
pros didn't like (except maybe that AlphaGo likes the middle more than most
pros).

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Richard J Lorentz <lorentz at csun.edu> wrote:

> Thanks for the interesting link. Indeed, some good reading there.
>
> One quote that I've seen various versions of a number of times now: " More
> interesting for the rest of us, AlphaGo is playing moves and styles that
> all human masters had dismissed as stupid centuries ago."
>
> Can any one point me to concrete examples of such moves, styles, and/or
> games? With some commentary?!
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Richard
>
>
> On 02/09/2017 02:42 PM, Freeman Ng wrote:
>
> My favorite blogger's account of this conference that the Deep Mind team
> also participated in.
>
> http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/06/notes-from-the-
> asilomar-conference-on-beneficial-ai/
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__slatestarcodex.com_2017_02_06_notes-2Dfrom-2Dthe-2Dasilomar-2Dconference-2Don-2Dbeneficial-2Dai_&d=DwMFaQ&c=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U&r=NbBKrBPWWTAfp_een5wnh2rUKa2Rtv0nPE0GGyoIUSQ&m=wj6xch3mWJlJb-HdUAJkZE_FQOhRG4DNZJnQvTy-vMQ&s=MVsE9yAwd0Yi1yRVAb3hLXzcPtz_g4xtIcPbluFG7xo&e=>
>
> Note: he's neither a Go player nor a computer programmer, which limits his
> AlphaGo related reporting, but I thought this might be interesting to the
> list nonetheless.
>
> Freeman
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:59:19 -0500
From: Álvaro Begué <alvaro.begue at gmail.com>
To: computer-go <computer-go at computer-go.org>
Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Notes from the Asilomar Conference on
	Beneficial	AI
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If you like video commentary, Haylee has five game reviews, starting with
this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_24iaUMRFs&t=1109s

You may also enjoy this lecture (probably best for kyu players):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8Eh41m7gVA (you may want to skip to around
9:00).

Enjoy,
Álvaro.



On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Shawn Ligocki <sligocki at gmail.com> wrote:

> I remember hearing widespread surprise at many of AlphaGo's moves vs. Lee
> Sedol:
> * Game 1 - Moves 10&12 - Attach and pull back after pincer. Which is
> widely taught as bad play.
> * Game 2 - Move 37 - 5th line shoulder hit. Likewise students are taught
> to almost never play 5th line shoulder hit.
>
> and to a lesser extent:
> * Game 2 - Move 15 - Peeping so early.
>
> Those are the examples I remember. Don't remember any references to style
> pros didn't like (except maybe that AlphaGo likes the middle more than most
> pros).
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Richard J Lorentz <lorentz at csun.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the interesting link. Indeed, some good reading there.
>>
>> One quote that I've seen various versions of a number of times now: "
>> More interesting for the rest of us, AlphaGo is playing moves and styles
>> that all human masters had dismissed as stupid centuries ago."
>>
>> Can any one point me to concrete examples of such moves, styles, and/or
>> games? With some commentary?!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -Richard
>>
>>
>> On 02/09/2017 02:42 PM, Freeman Ng wrote:
>>
>> My favorite blogger's account of this conference that the Deep Mind team
>> also participated in.
>>
>> http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/06/notes-from-the-asilomar
>> -conference-on-beneficial-ai/
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__slatestarcodex.com_2017_02_06_notes-2Dfrom-2Dthe-2Dasilomar-2Dconference-2Don-2Dbeneficial-2Dai_&d=DwMFaQ&c=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U&r=NbBKrBPWWTAfp_een5wnh2rUKa2Rtv0nPE0GGyoIUSQ&m=wj6xch3mWJlJb-HdUAJkZE_FQOhRG4DNZJnQvTy-vMQ&s=MVsE9yAwd0Yi1yRVAb3hLXzcPtz_g4xtIcPbluFG7xo&e=>
>>
>> Note: he's neither a Go player nor a computer programmer, which limits
>> his AlphaGo related reporting, but I thought this might be interesting to
>> the list nonetheless.
>>
>> Freeman
>>
>>
>>
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