[Computer-go] Orego 7.08 released

[Brian Sheppard]

I have downloaded the pack, and I am using it, but not on CGOS. I am using
the pack locally via TwoGTP to add another dimension to Pebbles testing.

When I return to testing on CGOS, I will always run some standard engine
near Pebbles in strength. Probably not all of them, though.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: computer-go-bounces at dvandva.org
[mailto:computer-go-bounces at dvandva.org] On Behalf Of Robert Finking
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:09 PM
To: computer-go at dvandva.org
Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Orego 7.08 released

Hi Brian, All,

I have stopped development of this pending Beta testers. Since I made 
the last release I did some beta-testing myself and have some 
unpublished improvements, but really need people with Windows Vista and 
Windows 7 machines to give the pack a go so that we can knock the 
corners off it.

If there is some problem with downloading the pack please let me know 
and I can try to rectify the problem. Clearly the standard engines only 
help stabilise the CGOS rating system during the periods that you kind 
people are running the engines. I have been busy recently, but whenever 
I've checked in, nobody else has been running them. I have perhaps done 
something wrong in preparing the pack that I've put almost all of you 
off form using it. I do apologise.

I fully believe that there is a desire to strengthen the CGOS ranking 
system by the presence of standard engines, because several of you 
contributed valuable ideas. Don has kindly changed the way the server 
works to allow us to do this, but I think I have let you down and 
produced a pack that is not being used. Whilst I'm writing this e-mail, 
I hope to ask what the main reasons are that people aren't using the 
engines? Here are some ideas I've had, but please do tell me why you 
personally would rather not donate some of your computing resources to 
running the engine pack:

1) I don't have easy access to any Windows machines that I could run the 
standard engine pack on
2) I am concerned that my hardware will not be able to cope with running 
the standard engines - not enough attention has been paid to ensuring it 
will run on slower hardware
3) The pack doesn't include my favourite engine
4) I want to download the "Heavy" engines, but don't have a 7-zip client 
and don't know where to get one
5) I hadn't realised that nobody was running the pack, I had hoped that 
somebody else would run it - please tell me how I can help
6) The packs are too big - my internet connection won't handle the size 
of download you have created
7) Not all of the engines are open source - I like to read the source 
code of any application I run on my machine
8) It is not straightforward enough to download and run the pack - I 
don't have enough time - could you make it easier?
9) Other (please state)

Thanks in advance for any feedback, and apologies again (especially to 
Don) for not providing you guys with a usable solution.

Raffles

PS whilst I am e-mailing may I say what a great privilege it is to read 
everyone's comments on this list - a hugely valuable group, thanks!


On 11/01/2011 01:41, Brian Sheppard wrote:
> Maybe I confused you with the term "standard." There is a page devoted 
> to engines that meet certain criteria: 
> http://computergo.wikispaces.com/CGOS+Standard+Engine+Packs
> Orego is not among those engines. I am not sure why.
> Brian
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* computer-go-bounces at dvandva.org 
> [mailto:computer-go-bounces at dvandva.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Drake
> *Sent:* Monday, January 10, 2011 5:34 PM
> *To:* computer-go at dvandva.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Computer-go] Orego 7.08 released
>
> I thought it already was one. What is the obstacle?
>
> (I don't have a spare machine to run it on, but anyone else is welcome 
> to do so.)
>
> Peter Drake
> http://www.lclark.edu/~drake/ <http://www.lclark.edu/%7Edrake/>
>
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Brian Sheppard wrote:
>
>> Is it now possible to make Orego into a "standard opponent" on CGOS?
>> *From:*computer-go-bounces at dvandva.org 
>> <mailto:computer-go-bounces at dvandva.org> 
>> [mailto:computer-go-bounces at dvandva.org]*On Behalf Of*Oliver Lewis
>> *Sent:*Monday, January 10, 2011 12:46 PM
>> *To:*computer-go at dvandva.org <mailto:computer-go at dvandva.org>
>> *Subject:*Re: [Computer-go] Orego 7.08 released
>>
>> Thanks Peter.  I started using Orego for some of my experiments 2-3 
>> years ago (version 3 I think) and I always found it very accessible, 
>> particularly as I'm not a strong programmer.  I'd recommend it to 
>> anyone, whether you want to experiment with MCTS or other types of 
>> evaluation.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Peter Drake <drake at lclark.edu 
>> <mailto:drake at lclark.edu>> wrote:
>> The latest version of Orego can be found here:
>>
>> https://webdisk.lclark.edu/drake/orego/orego-7.08.jar
>>
>> I've spent some time cleaning up the code; this version is 
>> particularly well-documented and devoid of dead-end experiments. 
>> Anyone who wants to start experimenting with computer Go in Java 
>> should find it particularly useful.
>>
>> I'll be happy to answer any questions about setting it up and using 
>> Orego.
>>
>> Peter Drake
>> http://www.lclark.edu/~drake/ <http://www.lclark.edu/%7Edrake/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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