[Computer-go] Beta-testing: feedback to bot owners

[Don Dailey]

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Nick Wedd <nick at maproom.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <AANLkTimsJ=KB99zr8aMxJDXcHFiesymmo=r7QNrCanE5 at mail.gmail.com>,
> Don Dailey <dailey.don at gmail.com> writes
>
>  A fair way to deal with komi doesn't require even knowing what is
>> correct,  just play games in pairs.   You get white and black against
>> all players you are paired with.    Of course that would probably
>> require a change to the server - and it would double the lengths of the
>> tournaments.
>>
>
> The server does support what you propose, in a limited way.  If I specify
> the tournament format as "Round Robin", and the number of rounds as "2", it
> operates a double round robin, in which each pair of opponents plays twice,
> though not consecutively.  And after the changes currently being tested, the
> colours will alternate.
>

I always hoped that you would have more round robins,  although I admit that
I have not participated in a long time.     But Lazarus still works - I
might consider it just for fun although Lazarus would probably now be one of
the weakest programs.

Don




>
> Nick
>
>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Nick Wedd <nick at maproom.co.uk> wrote:
>>  I first thought of using 7 komi for kgs 9x9 bot tournaments during a
>>  discussion with Olivier Teytaud.  He is planning to hold the 13x13
>>  and 19x19 Computer Go events, in the EGC in Bordeaux this summer, on
>>  KGS, using its tournament scheduler.  He was not planning to use it
>>  for 9x9 because, as he wrote, "the random pairing in 9x9 is a
>>  disaster; it's clear that having white is better in 9x9 Go with komi
>>  7.5, so the games might become a coin toss".
>>
>>  I suggested that if 7.5 is too much, he could use 7.  I decided to
>>  test this, and offer the bots some practice, by running some 9x9
>>  events with 7 komi on KGS.  But two things have happened to make
>>  this irrelevant: Olivier has told me that he is not willing to use 7
>>  komi, and the disastrous random pairing has been fixed - or will
>>  have been, when the current beta-test version of KGS is installed in
>>  place of the current version.
>>
>>  The 9x9 beta-test tournament that I ran on Thursday shows what is
>>  likely to happen if one bot understands integer komi while the other
>>  does not. GNU Go version 3.7 and Orego12 played each other six
>>  times.  Orego is clearly the better player.  The three times that
>>  Orego was black, it won by 2 points.  The three times that Orego was
>>  white, the result was jigo.
>>
>>  However, several people have expressed interest in a 9x9 event with
>>  integer komi.  If a majority of likely entrants is in favour, the
>>  next 9x9 KGS monthly bot tournament, on April 3rd, will use a komi
>>  of 7. Please send your votes "for integer komi of 7" or "against
>>  integer komi of 7" to me at maproom @ gmail dot com.  I will treat
>>  the votes as confidential.
>>
>>
>>  Nick
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