[Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen

[steve uurtamo]

Imagine how strong they'd be at 0.1 sec/move.

Seems like it's really only fair to measure at non-blitz.

s.
On Jan 7, 2012 3:32 PM, "Aja Huang" <ajahuang at gmail.com> wrote:

>   Jouni, 6d’s are NOT ridiculously strong. I am a solid 6d KGS player but
> lost many games to Zen and Crazy Stones. Actually they might be able to
> reach 6d already with 10 secs/move or in even faster games.
>
> Aja
>
>
>  *From:* Jouni Valkonen <jounivalkonen at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 07, 2012 1:07 PM
> *To:* computer-go at dvandva.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen
>
>
> Jeff, it does not matter what ten humans does with the games, because they
> are insignificant compared to bulk mass of games that gobots are playing.
> therefore CS's it has no relevance for the rating system. Also 6 months is
> very very short time, and when old games are starting to expire, KGS rating
> will follow. See e.g. CS rating graph for reference.
>
> KGS rating system works brilliantly and it is almost impossible to
> exploit, because only way to exploit it is to make 8d? account and then go
> kibitzing other people's games, but if there are only few games played, it
> has very little influence for system as a whole. Therefore it is certainly
> better rating system than in any other Chess and Go servers. (it is even
> better than Glicko)
>
> People observe KGS-rating system often problematic, because it punishes
> most severely those who are weak players.
>
> one improvement to rating system could be, that it would calculate
> separate ratings for both, slow and blitz games.
>
> 6d for MC-gobot seems a bit optimistic, I would bet €5 that it won't
> happen in 2012. 6d's are ridiculously strong. I calculated that in January,
> out of 56 games against 5d's CS won 48%. This is indeed impressive,
> although there is long way to beat 6d's in even game.
>
>      –Jouni
>
> On 7 January 2012 21:03, Jeff Nowakowski <jeff at dilacero.org> wrote:
>
>> On 01/02/2012 05:04 PM, Rémi Coulom wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Improving the KGS rank at 5d is very difficult. The current
>>> experimental version of Crazy Stone wins 78% against Crazy Stone
>>> 2011. That's less than one stone difference on KGS. But I am sure
>>> both Zen and Crazy Stone will reach 6d in 2012.
>>>
>>
>> There are two problems with the KGS rankings:
>>
>> One, they are weighed down a lot by past games from weaker versions.
>>
>> Two, you have to worry about people trying to game the system. I found
>> strong evidence that one of the frequent CrazyStone players was losing
>> games intentionally against a weaker bot, while at the same time winning
>> frequently against CrazyStone.
>>
>> I brought this up with an admin, and he said they were looking into it,
>> but several days have gone by and the player was not deranked (which is the
>> usual punishment for gaming the system, and would remove past games from
>> the rank calculation).
>>
>>
>
>
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