[Computer-go] John got tromped by Zen 1-3

[Michael Williams]

I think the computers will improve more than John during the course of the
next year.  Progress has been rapid recently.



On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Don Dailey <dailey.don at gmail.com> wrote:

> I know that everyone at this point thinks John is all washed up for this
> kind of match,   but I don't agree.
>
> Basically we have concluded based on a mere 3 games that John Tromp was
> "crushed" by the computer as if there was no hope had the match continued.
>    If the first 2 games had been a loss but John had won the last game,
> we probably would be viewing it slightly more rationally - as John having a
> chance.
>
> It's probably not very practical for logistical reasons,  but a match like
> this should really played with a lot more than 3 games.    This was fun,
>  but only proved what we already knew and nothing more - that computers are
> now dan players.
>
> A ten game match also would not be enough,  but it would certainly be far
> better for a more educated guess about reasonable expectations.    Would it
> have been 9 to 1?     Would it have been a close match?
>
> Imagine that both John and the computer were perfect evenly matched with
> each having a 50/50 change of winning each game.     The likely score would
> have been 2-1 with a 3-0 quite possible too,  despite perfect equality of
> the players and yet we are acting almost as if this was clear proof that
> John is washed up and can no longer compete.       Had John won 2-1 how
> would we be talking about this?     Probably we would be saying that
> computers still have a long way to go while criticizing or laughing at some
> of it's "gaffes."
>
> So seriously,  let's not make more of this than it actually is.
>
> Don
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Michael Williams <
> michaelwilliams75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John, thank you for doing this!  But with all due resepect, you have been
>> eclipsed and we need a new challenger.  For next year (or whenever) I hope
>> that person is as reasonable and sane as John has been.  Not everyone is
>> cut out for the quirks of the man-machine matches.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Darren Cook <darren at dcook.org> wrote:
>>
>>> > (i) MC winning percentages (by Many Faces of Go)
>>> > http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-04-percents.jpg
>>> >
>>> > (ii) Traditional territory scores (by Many Faces of Go)
>>> > http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-02-territory.jpg
>>>
>>> I think that 2nd link should have been:
>>>   http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-04-territory.jpg
>>>
>>> (but, in his defense, Ingo was posting at 5am :-)
>>>
>>> Darren
>>> http://dcook.org/gobet/
>>>
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