[Computer-go] Beating old ManyFaces at 29 handicap stones

[steve uurtamo]

I hate to address it, but access to the binary would pretty much give away
the structure of the prng.

s.
On Jan 27, 2012 8:46 AM, Ingo Althöfer <3-Hirn-Verlag at gmx.de> wrote:

> Petr Baudis <pasky at ucw.cz>:
> > Ingo Althofer wrote:
> > > David Fotland is willing to provide the old bot - also for sparring
> > > sessions on KGS.
> >
> >   Will David also try to compete? :-)
>
> Serious point. I did not have that in mind.
>
> In principle I would allow him to participate - as long as
> he does not exploit the exact structure of the "pseudo-random"
> generator within MF.
> Knowing David for several years now as an honorable man,
> I would believe him when he gives his word on this.
>
> >   Of course, for experiments it would be neat to have a binary of this
> > version, but maybe that would make the challenge too easy (or prone to
> > overtuning).
>
> As long as MF would play randomly enough, it would remain a
> difficult task.
>
> >   Anyway, sounds wonderful, and Martin Mueller's play in that game is
> > quite something. I'm looking forward to giving this challenge to Pachi.
>
> I think, sophisticated "dynamic komi" will not be enough to achieve the
> level.
> You will need some sort of opponent modelling. But future will show.
>
> And looking over the fence: When a win at handicap 29 is achieved how much
> further could strong bots go?
>
> 33?
> or 37?
> or 49?
>
> Ingo.
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